This article was amended on 11 January 2017. [1] [2] [7] The project cost $272 million and is cooperatively owned by Royal Dutch Shell and the Dutch utility company Nuon. NS Dutch Railways has partnered with energy company Eneco to use its wind. [9] As a first step, the government has determined 65 sites for offshore wind farms in the North Sea and IJsselmeer. Just fit smart controls where their systems draw power from the grid. 15ct/kWh, 100%hydro, no nuclear or gray labeled power bought for pumping. Grid power in fact reflects the overall generation mix, which in the case of the Netherlands is dominantly gas and coal with only a small contribution from wind. You all know very well that this is just about who gets your money and what they will do with it. remarkably consists of wind turbines with just 2 blades, manufactured by Nedwind, the 18 turbines have a combined nominal power of 18 MW.[30]. But none of this wind power is directly connected to the NS rail system. Dutch trains now run on green, renewable energy (Image courtesy of Groenetrain/NS/Eneco). Heres a fantasy as to how Nederlandse Spoorwegen could make their claims of only using wind power a reality. When wind power is fed into a grid it becomes inextricably mixed with all the vibrating electrons from other generation sources to the point where there is no way of knowing where any power taken from the grid came from. Physically it makes no difference as you say, but as HeavyWeather pointed out above my money is now going to fund reactors not Energiewende, so Im happy. Because Eneco, which contracts to supply NS with wind power, gets a Guarantee of Origin from the exporter under which the exporter confirms that the power came from wind and assigns the rights to it to NS. If a energy supply company contracts with a renewable provider ( I am not including nuclear sources) would it be based on the installed power of the wind farms or a capacity factor adjusted power capabilities? The city also gets about a third of its power from a large biomass plant. Produced at least 12 models of 2000, 4000, 4500, and 5000kW. http://www.litgrid.eu/index.php/sistemos-duomenys/79. I cant help feeling that inexperienced power traders at NS will have been taken to the cleaners at the expense of passengers. The best of EcoWatch, right in your inbox. Two of the models are still under production. Every electric train on the Dutch railways NS network now gets 100 per cent of its energy from wind energy. You may have a battery bank to store some of it in case of an outage, but mostly it will go to the electric company and they credit you. At this point, total Dutch wind power generation is about 7.4 billion kWh annually. Julian Turner gets the inside track on the unique collaboration from Michel Kerkhof, account manager at Eneco. Many of the numerous smaller and older wind farms in the Netherlands consist of much smaller turbines compared to those typically deployed today. UK Government to Announce New Energy Policies, Waking into our new volatile age of oil prices. As of the 1st of January, 2017, electric Dutch trains are now completely powered by wind energy, according to NS, the national railway company. In fact, an investigation by Energy Matters finds that the electrified portion of NS mainly runs on electricity derived from coal and natural gas. Wind turbines feed electricity into the grid and the electric company credits them for the electricity. It seems that NS may be outsourcing costs as well as power. Our ambition is also to use more of our own resources (buildings, property) to generate sustainable energy. . The question is: how long must a windmill generate energy before it creates more energy than it took to build it? 1995 - 2023 by Snopes Media Group Inc. Gimme a break. With this, offshore wind energy makes an important contribution to achieving the increased climate target of 55% less CO2-emissions. . In other words, the two oldest sources of renewable power, water and wood, are carrying most of the burden for Burlingtons renewable achievement, not the sources that might come to mind when people read the headline. If you want to be generous to NS, you can say that the BritNed interconnector is definitely being fed by the coal fired Maasvlakte power stations when it is delivering 1GW to the UK, because theyre right next door to the HVDC converters. It is 100% powered by electric. Really funny, as it cuts it both ways when you dont know reality and cant speak French you have to believe what you find on the English writing interwebs or the greenpiss propaganda leaflets. I read about them and saw a documentary film about them. The company is also looking for a dramatic reduction in greenhouse gas emissions. This page was last edited on 14 January 2023, at 23:49. NS is the main public train in the Netherlands. In Norway 132,2 million guarantees of origin for hydro power were issued in 2014, corresponding to 132,2 Twh. All Dutch electric trains are now powered by wind energy, the national railway company NS has said . Yes, they are called dwarves, or possibly hobbits. NS first announced their target for a wind-powered train fleet back in 2015, but they've hit their target a year earlier than planned - way ahead of their 2018 goal. Established 1983. These systems are found on underground trains in Los Angeles, Auckland and Buenos Aires, among others. Everybody should buy only 100% RE. Temporarily, they might even have a surplus to sell. This year the country is due to start operating a 600-megawatt offshore wind farm, called Gemini. And how does NS justify this lesser claim? simply use the smart technology to cut them off until their consumption matches the wind farms output. The ns also solved the issue of delayed trains by changing the defenition of delay from 3 minutes to 5 minutes. Since 2015 there has been a trend towards the deployment and planning for large wind farms, both onshore and offshore, with a view to the approximate tripling wind power capacity from 2015 levels by 2023. If it was based on the former there would a strong possibility that these companies could be oversubscribed with customers who may not receive true renewable energy when the wind does not blow. This year, Dutch commuters ditched fossil fuels to power their country's trains on 100% wind energy - and it's a grand idea that's catching on the world over. Started operations in 1979. All renewable energy gets paid the FIT out of the so-called SDE budget. I do not know why this is, maybe a different ethane ratio? They say that this makes them the first rail company in the world that runs it fleet entirely on renewable energy. As Hughes observed, his point was that "the concept of net energy is crucial if we want to find a policy that will see us through the Energy Sustainability Dilemma," not that windmills should be eschewed for using up more energy than they ever create. How much wind? In an anything goes era of news and social media, its not often that a post jumps off the page. If NS consumes an amount of gray electricity, than other consumers who pay for gray electricity will get same amount of wind electricity mixed in their gray electricity. The other half comes from newly built wind farms in . Snopes did not find evidence that Germany was experiencing a "total collapse" in wind and solar energy. [1], The Dutch government has expressed the aspiration to build 4.450 MW of offshore wind power by 2023[5] which will have a considerable impact on the Dutch electricity grid, operated by TenneT. Since 1 January, 100% of our trains are running on wind energy, said NS spokesman, Ton Boon. So I know that its true, just as if I had read it in the Guardian. With wind power usage in 2015 equal to 12.5 billion kWh, Dutch demand for wind power amply exceeds supply. Three strikes. Whats the trick? Conductor rails carry lower voltages than overhead wires, although low is a relative concept. Produced at least 19 models at 250, 750, 1500, 2000, 2300, 2500, 2600, 3000, 3600, 3800, 4000 and 4500kW. I happen to know a little about the Dutch grid and its power networks: interconnectors to other countries have long been bottlenecks and monopolising capacity on them has proved to be quite profitable in the past to those who trade electricity in more than one country. But it really doesnt matter which countries the Finnish wind power passes through on its way to the Netherlands. There is a tight social net up to the point where their transfer income pays for their existence. More than 12% of the Netherland's electricity is generated from renewable sources, mainly biomass and waste (5% of the total) and wind (7% of the total). * Just an FYI, this official infographic shows that the scheme saves 1.4 billion kWh of electricity, which they say is the same as whats used by ALL of Amsterdams residents. And meanwhile the Netherlands electrified railways continue to be powered dominantly by fossil fuel electricity. People making this claim are simply propagandists. There are very little poor people in Germany. Where I post my arguments on various things climate-related, belief that a 100% renewable-powered train can and does exist is ubiquitous. These newer and larger wind farms are making use of some of the largest wind turbines available, in particular in the case of Noordoostpolder the Enercon E-126 7500kW wind turbine, the largest onshore turbine available at that time. Whats the trick? As his statements were presented in that meme, Homer-Dixon appeared to have asserted that windmills never produce as much energy as is expended in building them: The quotations selectively employed in the meme were taken from Homer-Dixon's 2009 book Carbon Shift: How Peak Oil and the Climate Crisis Will Change Canada (and Our Lives). Often only 100% renewable utilities are allowed to participate in the auctions. All day so far. EDF was 13.44p but I keep reading comments about how RE fans should take electricity only from PV and wind turbines, so I decided I should do the same. The construction of these wind farms along with others in the Netherlands, Belgium, and Finland helped NS and Eneco to hit their target so far ahead of schedule. Produced at least 3 models of outputs 100, 200, 250kW. These include the 580km NorNed submarine cable (700 MW) link to Norway, the 1,000 MW BritNed cable link to the United Kingdom and the COBRA cable link to Denmark (700 MW). As well as the technological problems discussed in this blog can we afford this destruction of our landscapes pursuing this RE dream. But lets be real. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. What Is (And Isn't) Scientific About The Multiverse. [18], In the first week of December 2016, all 150 turbines of the new 600 MW Gemini offshore windfarm began producing power, and the project is expected to be fully commissioned by mid 2017. And enjoy 30c/kWh household electric rates, as in Denmark and Germany, without there being one iota of measurable benefit to the planet? One thing I should have mentioned in the post is why NS doesnt get all its wind power from Netherlands wind farms. Its worth noting that it would be pointless to put wind turbines in poor locations, and its trivial, or meaningless, to say that a turbine would never pay back its embedded energy in a poor location. According to DutchNews.nl, there's currently a total of 2,200 wind turbines across the country. BTW, I have never felt deprived by having 60 Hz instead of 50Hz. Berlin Neighborhood to Experiment With Eliminating Parking Spaces, High PFAS Levels in Norwegian Arctic Ice Pose New Risk to Wildlife, Report: London Ultra Low Emissions Zone Succeeded in Curbing Harmful Air Pollution, Studies Find Louisiana Government Helped Create Cancer Alley, Prestigious Engineering Prize Awarded to Pioneering Solar Team, Leaked Video Shows Sediment Release in Deep-Sea Mining Test, After Record-Breaking 2022, China Told to Brace for Another Year of Weather Extremes, Seed Saving 101: Everything You Need to Know. Overall, the Netherlands has over 2,000 wind turbines spread across the country. London Undergrounds system provides 600V of direct current to their conductor rails, still enough to be potentially lethal. Many small scale wind farms exist throughout the Netherlands which bear testament to earlier models of wind turbines and lesser known manufacturers which provided a range of niche products, ranging in size and power output. The farm was dismantled after 22 years service in 2016. Thus, all of NE has the same energy mix, i.e., there is not one mix for VT, another for NH, or one mix for the Netherlands, another for Germany. Rail networks source this electricity from the grid, and just like for our homes, its transmitted to them via high-voltage lines. "Since 1 January, 100% of our trains are running on wind energy," said NS. 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What the Netherlands gets when it imports it is the energy mix on the German grid. This is a BETA experience. French people are bricoleurs they like to build their own house, thanks to the fact that if it has a surface below 175 m2 you dont need to go through an architect, you can do your own building plan. All Dutch electric trains are now powered by wind energy, the national railway company NS has said . [62], Installed land-based wind capacity (MW) by. If there was a utility providing KiteGen power I would sign up with them. But you can arrange for a proxy burn of biogas in another state, say Colorado, and buy the rights to say you consumed it. http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-e1-and-vs-t1/. Willem, you dont feel deprived by having 60Hz in the US. Other peoples Money doesnt matter to you.. wrong! it MATTERS to those like heavyweather all savvy investors who have installed PV on their rooftops, PV which funnels 29 cEuro/kWh (on average) for each useless and counter-productive kWh which they dump on the network sums charged on the electricity bill of all the OTHER germans, of course! I guess I could have found something cheaper still if Id looked hard enough. Snopes and the Snopes.com logo are registered service marks of Snopes.com. By tapping into both domestic and foreign sources of wind power, it [ensures] that there is always sufficient green power available on the grid for rail companies, even if the wind is not blowing, the company explained. All wind amd solar energy gets a hefty FIT tariff in the Netherlands, intended to guarantee profitability of the energy investment over the long term (even if the electricity market price goes negative, for example). If the train line is a busy one, with small gaps between scheduled trains, the electricity produced by one helps to power the very next one that comes along. Under this system the government chooses locations and organizes tenders for projects of 350 MW, and project developers can offer bids for each farm. While it was originally used to pump water or grind grain, wind is now helping Dutch commuters get to work. The turbines supply enough energy to power 2.4 million households. Sign up for our email newsletter! In August 2015, a meme posted to the Google+ group "The Secret Society of Anti-AGW-ACC Cultism," an organization that claims climate change is a hoax, reproduced the words allegedly written by Thomas Homer-Dixon, the Associate Director of the Waterloo Institute for Complexity and Innovation, on the subject of windmills. You make one good point here which is that France has cheap electricity but expensive heating. Train tickets for international journeys can be purchased from NS International. A two-megawatt windmill contains 260 tonnes of steel requiring 170 tonnes of. The Dutch Railways Company NS is the world's first railway company that gets 100% of its energy from wind energy. Apart from the first rather obvious problems, anyone with the most basic understanding of electrical enrgy, as taught before 16 at school, would immediately know this was a wholly untrue technical assertion., Thats the whole point, Brian There are hardly any people with a basic understanding of electrical energy If most would have an understanding, there would be no renewables at all The whole charade would not even have started in the first place , Just as Otter says above, on different forums, lots of people are claiming Im 100% renewable (because I have a 100% RE contract with Essent, or Lampiris, or Belpower, or ENI, or ), Neither humour (so you got all the wind power this morning, because there was none left for me !, nor hard facts (for the 8-day period 27/12 03/01, that I just took a look at for another discussion, Wind and Solar provided a grand total of 4.6% of all electricity used in Belgium Was that enough for all of them 100% RE contracts ? A NS train. Instead of trains recovering energy for their own use, any excess power is directed to a centralized bank of lithium-ion batteries. But how does NS know the power it imports is wind? That means electrons traveling across international borders to help power the NS railway system come in some amount from wind power, but in much larger amounts from non-wind sources. The T1 standard relates to telecommunications. Even cheap electricity doesnt change anything. Updated [5 February 2019]: Original version of this article attributed this quote to Thomas Homer-Dixon. Impressively, this means their initial goal was met one whole year ahead of schedule. 01-13-17 Dutch Railways' Electric Trains Now Run On 100% Wind Energy Now 1.2 million people per day can commute without raising their carbon footprint. Green energy for train, bus and station In 2017, our trains in the Netherlands became the first in the world to run for 100% on wind energy, giving travellers the option of travelling without CO2 emissions. These were often manufactured by lesser known wind turbine manufacturers, sometimes producing innovative products such as the Nedwind 2 blade turbine. The Nuclear Humanist 1.75K subscribers 40 Dislike Share 814 views Jul 23, 2017 The Dutch Railway Corporation. TL;DR Dutch trains run on natural gas and coal power, not wind power. The turbines have a hub height of 135 metres (443ft) and each new turbine can generate as much electricity as all 50 turbines of the old wind farm combined. Thanks for the correction Lars. Netherlands take e-mobility to next level: 100% of countrys trains are powered by #wind: https://t.co/U1oDry30ll pic.twitter.com/c0vrXxrDZl, UN Climate Change (@UNFCCC) January 10, 2017. The energy comes from new wind farms in the Netherlands and surrounding countries - and it's a lot. [61] A further 228 MW of installed capacity will be added when completed. [37] Other large wind farms are located in Delfzijl-zuid (43 MW),[30] Lelystad (46 MW), Terneuzen, (Koegorspolder, 44 MW), and Biddinghuizen (WP Kubbeweg, 34 MW). Produced at least 8 models with power outputs of 100, 250, 500, 1000kW. The company said all electric trains were now powered by wind energy. In contrast to onshore wind farms, almost all turbines by January 2017 were situated in just a few large wind farms. ) can ever bring them off balance They dont understand, but they believe ! Even the two Dutch wind farms with which NS contracts directly for wind power, Noordoostpolder and Luchterduinen, are tied generally to the Dutch grid and not tied directly into the NS rail system. Transmission costs of 1.4 eurocent/kWh is to be added as TenneT is required to take power from sea to shore. NS claims 100% wind power because it has a contract with various wind farms to produce enough energy to power its rail system, but this is just an accounting transaction. quite an amount of work youve done there, It doesnt add up ! [20] A few of the larger wind farms are listed here. It sharply cut subsidies down to 1.5 billion, leaving private sector to carry over wind turbine investments should these be beneficial.[6]. . And given that the company carries 600,000 people per day, the amount of electricity they need isnt trivial around 1.2 billion kWh of electricity a year. According to a government web page ( now removed!) This material may not be reproduced without permission. The Dutch government has set a target of 6,000 MW nameplate capacity of onshore wind power by 2020 (not met, as per the data above) and 4,450 MW of offshore wind power by 2023. https://ecommons.cornell.edu/bitstream/handle/1813/5329/Bothi_BEEThesis.pdf;sequence=1, When wind power is fed into a grid it becomes inextricably mixed with all the vibrating electrons from other generation sources to the point where there is no way of knowing where any power taken from the grid came from.. By Adele Peters 1 minute Read A single. It's a bit of smoke and mirrors but it helps to subside more expensive forms of generation. Still don't like the disingenious advertisement thought. But in reality, the commercial parties are making a double killing: getting free money throughout the FIT contract (paid for 100% by households) *and* profiting from the PR value of presenting themselves as selflessly investing their own money in wind and solar energy for the planet. What is clear is that most of those electrons didnt originate from wind turbines. They arent directly powered by wind. If not, Im sure their stranded customers would be happy to explain it to them. For offshore wind a new system of tendering is under development. As Cleantechnica puts it: the GoO system allows for the transfer of the rights to call electricity green from those who actually generate renewable energy to those who dont but want to classify their power as such. Initially, trains in the Netherlands were set to run entirely on renewable energy by 2018. Google will allegedly power all its operations with renewable energy this year by doing exactly the same thing. Railway Gazette reports that NS records about 1.2 million passenger-journeys per day, with an annual energy requirement for 1.2 billion kWh. . I live in France since 20 years, have almost always used electricity to heat my house and always saved money with respect to the neighbours who used other means. They have been working with Eneco, a sustainable energy supplier operating in the Netherlands, for several years. The 129 MW Eneco Luchterduinen wind farm is located 23km off the coast between Zandvoort and Noordwijk cities in the Netherlands. The Dutch railways network (NS) started using wind energy generated by the turbines owned by electric company Eneco two years ago when they signed a ten-year agreement. This is about two-thirds of the system. wind power in the Netherlands generates 7.4 billion kWh (7.4TWh) of electricity annually, and according to BP the Netherlands total electricity generation in 2015 was 109.6TWh. I am told Biogas is not actually allowed in our pipeline system. The electrons essentially vibrate in place at 60 Hz. So pick your choice So while wind contributes about 7% to the Netherlands electricity generation it contributes about 11% to the countrys electricity consumption. [ 5 February 2019 ]: Original version of this wind power, Waking into our new age... 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