Thanks for reading and for taking the time to share your thoughts. We could see it [had been] in a police station, but as it closed, where did it go next? Muriels niece Margaret is desperate to get the books back. Thanks again for sharing this. Murder. D.C, Paul Rogers, independent of Victor Penalunas theory, contacted me by phone and told me that his research had led him to believe that Harold Jones may have been Muriel Drinkwaters killer. However in 1965 he was registered as Harry Stevens in Putney AND at the same time he rented a property in Aldensley Road Hammersmith and was also registered but using the name Harry Jones. Her route to her familys home Tyle-Du Farmentailed a mile-long journey that wove in and out of the woods. This forensic approach is becoming more common. 'All historic murder cases, often referred to in the media as 'cold cases,' are allocated to the Specialist Crime Review Unit and remain under active consideration and will be subject of re-investigation as and when new information is received or when there are advances in forensic science. ADVERTISEMENT BY ANCESTRY.COM. Please let us know how it goes. On June 27, 1946, 12-year-old Muriel made her way home from school in Penllergaer, Swansea (UK). Or by navigating to the user icon in the top right. Joseph James DeAngelo, the suspected Golden State Killer, The real waking the dead: This schoolgirls savage murder has mystified police for 62 years. Police records from the time show that Muriel's mother was the last person to see her alive. Hoyles lamented, For years, Ive lived with the knowledge that some people in the community suspected me. Dear Sir/Madam. It doesnt take much working out who the unnamed source with South Wales Police was! Evernote. Enter your email address to receive our monthly newsletter and to be notified about new posts. This means that we may include adverts from us and third parties based on our knowledge of you. All the best with pursuing answers in this case, and please keep us updated. Updated: August 30, 2013 . Who sodomises a 12 year old girl and batters her about the head, then shoots her twice in the chest? In the days and weeks that followed, police officers visited every farmhouse and cottage within 150 square miles, along with interviewing 20,000 men in Swansea, Aberdare and Carmarthenshire. Fifteen days later, Jones murdered 11-year-old neighbour Florence Little too, hiding her body in the attic of his parents' home. She was seen by her mother from a distance of 400 yards away, but before Muriel could arrive home, she was murdered. Harries was hanged in 1954 for the double murder of John and Phoebe Harries. Neil. Photo added by Graceti. He died at that address in 1971. Just before she entered the woods she looked up to see the farm in the distance. More here: https://bit.ly/WoodlawnJaneDoe. The killer was dubbed Jack The Stripper because of the way he left his victims. In the days and weeks that followed Muriel's murder, police officers visited every farmhouse and cottage within 150 square miles, along with interviewing 20,000 men in Swansea, Aberdare and Carmarthenshire. Advertisement. If the perpetrator was lying in wait as I believe he was, why select that certain spot? Muriel Joan Drinkwater was raped in Penllergaer Woods, beaten about the head with a blunt instrument and then shot with a World War I Colt 45 on 27 June 1946. Another wait and see. VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED. I really appreciate your local insights. Will do Christine. Do not sell or share my personal information. The authorities went as far as to suggest that someone in the Penllergaer region knows about the murder weapon but is protecting the owner by withholding information. Accountant Graham Wildin built an incredible 10,000sq/ft leisure complex - which has a bowling alley, casino, a cinema and more - at the back of his home. I am awaiting D.N.A tests to be carried out on Harold Jones family members. GRAPHIC DESCRIPTIONS. The new B.B.C. Nevertheless, the FBI was called in to assist with determining the ownership of the murder weapon, but nothing seems to have ever transpired from this lead. Only by comparing D.N.A. Also, as I understand matters, members of Muriels family have given DNA samples to ascertain whether Muriels father may have killed her. Positive reviews really help others find our show. This post deals with sexual assault and might be triggering for some readers. DNA was found on evidence & matched a man already in prison. 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She was singing on the school bus with her friends, on the afternoon of June 27, 1946, when she was dropped on the side of the road near her family's farm on the outskirt of Swansea. Or was she just in the wrong place at the wrong time? And please do not forget tosubscribe to the podcast and leave us a review. They pieced together evidence from the time, used new forensic breakthroughs and links to other cases in the area to identify who they think murdered Muriel in the most horrific way. The identity of the man who murdered a schoolgirl in 1946 remains a mystery after DNA left on her'little red riding hood' coat failed to link to a notorious child killer. And shockingly the reply was that the information I requested was in written format and would take at least 16 hours at a cost of more than 450 to supply and my request was denied. In 2008, a DNA profile of the suspect was extracted from her clothes, possibly the oldest one in the world to . She was last seen at 2:30 p.m., singing as she headed for the one-mile walk to her family's home, Tyle-Du Farm. It was an article that said that Harries had worked for Muriel's father John at the time of her murder. Happier times: Alex Murdaugh, Maggie and their sons are the picture-perfect family in never-before-seen photos taken on a hunting trip just a few years before brutal slayings, 'Why isn't he being prosecuted?' Drinkwater, a 12-year-old schoolgirl, was raped and shot in the woods in Penllergaer, Swansea. But Muriel, who was known locally as 'The Little Nightingale' because of her beautiful singing voice, never made it home. She was last seen at 2:30 p.m., singing as she headed for the one-mile walk to her family's home, Tyle-Du Farm. The murder of Muriel Drinkwater is an unsolved 1946 child murder case from Wales. A different D.C.I. The police have a Y-STR profile from Muriels coat. We also may change the frequency you receive our emails from us in order to keep you up to date and give you the best relevant information possible. I have requested information regarding the cost of the re-investigation of Muriels murder since 2008. The team are still investigating if this has any relevance to the case and are appealing for anyone with information about it to come forward. "Each case is reviewed periodically. Sometime later that afternoon, Muriels mother Margaret glanced out of her kitchen window and noticed Muriel approaching their property from approximately 400 yards away. Video, 00:01:18, Record numbers of guide dog volunteers after BBC story, WATCH: Key moments from PM's NI Brexit deal speech. We are hoping to make a BBC documentary (follow on from Dark Son) to see if we can shed any new light on the case. Take a second to support Christine on Patreon! Dubbed the 'Little Red Riding Hood murder', the 12-year-old had been killed amongst the undergrowth at Penllergaer Woods whilst on her way home from school one June afternoon. If information comes in from the public or other forces we act on it. He must have known she was near home because she waved and if we are saying this was a planned attack he wouldve studied Muriels routine, studied her route, he was near where her route went, that is a very specific route to go in and out the forest, and with balance of probability he therefore must have known Muriel and her family business to cripple the mother to cripple the business. More recently, however, it was tested against the DNA of one Harold Jones, a convicted double child murderer who slayed two similarly young girls in Abertillery in the 1920s, to see if he might be the perpetrator. [15] There is evidence that Harries was employed by Drinkwater's father, John, at the time of her death. Jones D.N.A was not compared to the D.N.A left on Muriels coat by the killer. Two days later, police found one of the murder weapons, a World War I-era Colt .45 pistol. So with that revelation the re-opened inquiry could have cost 15 million or more as did the Gwent Police inquiry into the disgraced former Abertillery care home owner Dr Dana Pras. [3] In 2008, a DNA profile of the suspect was extracted from her clothes, possibly the oldest sample in the world to be successfully extracted in a murder investigation. We know 100% that it is the killer's stain. Edith Patten had been buried in the old town cemetery and was left behind when officials relocated the graves in the 1930s. ", * Dark Land: Hunting the Killers is on BBC iPlayer, School friends at the grave of Muriel Drinkwater, whose murder in 1946 remains one of the most horrifying in Welsh history. Are you able to tell me if her father has been cleared via DNA profiling?. Paul.. After discussing this development with Muriels niece, myself, Muriels niece and a number of of her nursing friends came to the same conclusion that if Jones daughter isnt his biological daughter then Jones could not completely rule out Jones as a suspect. "(The murder) turned our family upside down and has been talked about through the generations. He said, ``She was regularly seen walking, skipping and singing in the woods as she made her way each day from her home to the . Farm Heroes Saga, the #4 Game on iTunes. I would like to request an internal review of (an adverse) decision made by South Wales Police regarding information I requested on 28-6-21. The D.N.A. Hi Neil. Video, 00:00:36Tears of relief after man found in Amazon jungle, At the crash site of 'no hope' - BBC reporter in Greece. 'Each case is reviewed periodically. Video, 00:01:00View from the cockpit of a Ukraine combat helicopter. Muriel N Drinkwater (born Maker) was born on month day 1903, at birth place, to Thomas L Maker and Margaret L Maker (born Baum). 'Due to advances in forensic technology we have been able to look again at evidence from the murder in 1946 and I am now able to rule out Harold Jones completely as a suspect in this case. Investigators now allege theyve identified her murderer. taken from one of Jones many nieces or nephews in Wales would prove conclusively if Jones was or was not Muriels killer. Who killed 'Little Red Riding Hood'? On the afternoon of Muriels murder, thirteen-year-old Hoyles purchased eggs from Muriels mother at their family farm. profiling cleared Hubert who stated he had long been suspected by some locals of being the murderer and was happy to clear his name.). You are talking about 74 years ago now and nothing has been able to close the matter.". Its amazing the documentary could screw things up so much. The Crime Review Group already have the information that I request. A US Army Colt .45 service revolver was used to shoot Muriel Drinkwater, 12, in the chest, after her killer had beaten and raped her. Her mother later went to the village to look for her when she did not return home; more than a dozen men from the area began a search. Video, 00:02:36Who killed 'Little Red Riding Hood'? Some people turn to the murder weapon for answers and suggest that the killer was either an American serviceman who had previously been stationed at Penllergaer or that an American soldier may have sold the gun to the perpetrator in the village. Video, 00:02:56, Tears of relief after man found in Amazon jungle. Video, 00:02:36, Up Next. Just a few thoughts, so we can deduce its a man, not too young to be weaker than Muriel, not to old because they would be frail, so we are saying middle aged man in 1946. Video, 00:01:00One-minute World News, WATCH: Key moments from PM's NI Brexit deal speech. Hi Sherlock. It was tracked down to a store room, in a current police station, in a very dark corner. Hard to work out the logic of your comment Charlotte? In 2008, a DNA profile of the suspect . Lets deduce, her killer was obviously male, or were they, unless they had extracted the sperm from another person it is definite that they are a male, so we have a male, s/ that narrows it down. Muriel Drinkwater was born on January 12, 1906 in New York . I have spoken to former D.C.I Paul Bethel and given him this information. An autopsy later determined that Muriel had been bludgeoned, raped, and shot twice in the chest. He stated that I was barking up the wrong tree regarding Harold Jones having killed Muriel and finished by saying Happy Hunting before slamming the phone down on me. profiling. "I have spoken to Muriel's family and bring them up to date with the latest details of this investigation. This means that we may include adverts from us and third parties based on our knowledge of you. In 2008,Detective Chief Inspector Paul Bethell located Muriels blue coat, underwear, and school uniform in police storage. As manager of this memorial you can add or update the memorial using the Edit button below. Perhaps one day then there'll still be justice for Muriel Drinkwater - even if it might have to stretch beyond the grave. South Wales Police some years ago announced that a potential suspect Hubert Hoyles had been cleared of Muriels death through DNA profiling. Their bodies were found buried in a Carmarthenshire kale field in 1953 you can read the full story here. Required fields are marked *. Read about our approach to external linking. After a previous visit to the Drinkwater family farm, Hoyles was surprised when a man in his thirties withthick fluffy hair and wearing brown corduroy trousers and a light brown sports jacket stepped from the bushes at exactly the same location where Muriel was later ambushed. Her blue coat, underwear and school uniform had been wrapped in a paper bag and stored. MLS breaks attendance records on the opening weekend of the new season as both Charlotte and Atlanta welcome over 67,000 fans - more than the average crowd at 13 NFL teams! Up Next. We use your sign-up to provide content in the ways you've consented to and improve our understanding of you. A familial DNA profile was extracted using a technique called Y-STR, but no match was found in the national DNA database. I was able to edit the comment for you before it went live. On 29 August 2021, I sent the following email to Freedom Of Information at South Wales Police. In 1946, 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater was murdered in the woods of Swansea, Wales. She was sexually assaulted and strangled and last seen with an American soldier. The police found the murder weapon in the undergrowth near where Muriels body had been discovered. 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The murder of Muriel Drinkwater ,[2] also known as the Little Red Riding Hood murder, is an unsolved 1946 child murder case from Wales. I personally think it was someone still in the area from the Second World war. 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Is it possible that scientists could examine Muriels coat and find another profile that could be compared to Jones daughters D.N.A.? Something went wrong, please try again later. But they said the results now ruled out Jones as a suspect in her murder. Holly Ann Campiglia was a Jane Doe until she was identified in 1992. Click here to hear the Audio File of this case. But the mystery doesn't end there and the team want to unlock the mystery behind a book belonging to Muriel that turned up in a charity shop decades after her death. The team tracked down Harries' cousin Lynn Hughes who described how the only child had been "spoilt" by his parents and was very "childish". If you have any new information I would be extremely interested to hear it! (My belief now is that the suspect he referred to was Hubert Hoyles who as a 13 year-old boy had come into contact with Muriels family shortly before her murder. Muriel was seen at 2:30PM, singing as she exited the school bus. Video, 00:00:36, Tears of relief after man found in Amazon jungle, At the crash site of 'no hope' - BBC reporter in Greece. I think it will be at least 3 months before anything definite will be announced. Muriel Drinkwater - Swansea, 1946 On 27th June 1946, Margaret Drinkwater was making tea in the family farm house in Penllegaer near Swansea when she looked out of the window to see her daughter . found on Muriels coat and D.N.A. Hoyles told police that the man looked terribly stern and had a local accent. Although this person of interest could have just been out for hike or involved in some other unrelated nefarious activity, the authorities believe that he may have been in involved in Muriels murder. to have gone on to kill six women in London in the 1960s - and was dubbed Jack The Stripper. I agree with the killer being male and the suggested age range. The path she walked home on curved in and out of the woods; her mother saw her walking home along the path and into the woods, but not come out again. We use your sign-up to provide content in the ways you've consented to and improve our understanding of you. "Given the sheer level of violence that he inflicted on his own relatives, I can't quite believe that this would be the first instance of his violence.". I was made aware the following day that my request would NOT be granted. ", "Groundbreaking DNA test rules out childkiller in unsolved murder", 74 years ago, Muriel Drinkwater was murdered. I guess a DNA test of Sheila Martin must have been taken to see if it was the same person. Two other specific persons of interest have been put forward. Sorry I doubled up on some of the above but cant edit it. Video, 00:01:00, View from the cockpit of a Ukraine combat helicopter. Muriel Drinkwater murder: Who killed 'Little Red Riding Hood'? Chief Inspector Bethell aptly explains, Re-opening the case is as much about proving who didnt do it, as who did. Remember that Hoyles was suspected of Muriels murder for decades and lived under a cloud suspicion that followed him everywhere he travelled in his small village. She was pulled from that path into the woodland beside it, attacked and murdered amongst the undergrowth of Penllergaer Woods, near Swansea, just yards from safety. I suggest reaching out to a DNA expert and seeing what insight they might be able to provide. [citation needed], In 2009, Welsh police began reinvestigating any link with the murder of 11-year-old Sheila Martin, who was raped and strangled 250 miles away in Sun Hill Wood, Fawkham Green, Kent, on 7 July 1946, ten days after Drinkwater's murder. Something went wrong, please try again later. Sadly though, this has proved not to be. We got a partial profile, given that it was the oldest cold case with a semen stain on it that we had been working on.". "She lost sight of her for a few moments. Bethell was thrilled to discover that on the back of the coat, a no-longer visible dried semen stain was circled with yellow crayon. Bethell sent the coat toDr. Colin Dark, and over the course of three years (MUCH longer than depicted on television and in the movies) Bethell analyzed the material and was able to extract enough fragments of DNA tosuccessfully create a Y-STR profile from the semen stain. Her killer has never been caught and it remains among the most notorious unsolved murders in Welsh history you can read more of them here. Detectives to revisit unsolved murder. Only the exhumation of Jones body or D.N.A. Muriel was skipping through the woods on the afternoon of June 27, 1946, as she did every day on her way from school, when the summer's afternoon turned to tragedy. Medicaid to cut 14 MILLION Americans from health coverage as states crack down on eligibility for the first time in three years after numbers soared during COVID - so are you at risk? "South Wales Police has had considerable success with cold case reviews being one of the first forces in the country to set up a review team in 1999 to conduct cold case reviews. If you have any information about Muriels murder, please contact the South Wales Policevia email at[emailprotected], Mystery of 1946 murder in woods BBC News article, The real waking the dead: This schoolgirls savage murder has mystified police for 62 years. He agreed to give a DNA sample that could rule out Muriel's father from the investigation. 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